Caelan
November 6, 2024, 7:02pm
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Caelan said :
@Sydney
It’s about meeting specific size and weight rules. Small trucks just don’t hit the mark under current regulations. I’ll find a simple explanation for everyone.
Here’s a video that explains it: https://youtu.be/azI3nqrHEXM?si=cE3Zkz3Lj5gM5SQj
Niko
November 6, 2024, 7:02pm
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Caelan said :
@Sydney
It’s about meeting specific size and weight rules. Small trucks just don’t hit the mark under current regulations. I’ll find a simple explanation for everyone.
It’s actually based on the gross weight, not wheelbase and engine size. No one wants a tiny 6000lb Ranger.
Caelan
November 6, 2024, 7:02pm
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@Niko
True, I had to rewatch the video to double-check the details!
@Sydney
Basically, they need to make the trucks big enough to justify the low mpg. It’s the opposite of what the EPA intended.
Zack
November 6, 2024, 7:03pm
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@Sydney
Are you familiar with the Ford Maverick? Ford can barely keep up with the demand for it.
Sydney
November 6, 2024, 7:03pm
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Zack said :
@Sydney
Are you familiar with the Ford Maverick? Ford can barely keep up with the demand for it.
Check out what u/No_Pension_5065 said above.
Lillian
November 6, 2024, 7:03pm
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@Sydney
Yep, US automakers pushed for these emissions rules because it meant more money in their pockets.
Mikayla
November 6, 2024, 7:03pm
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@Sydney
But… what about the Maverick?
Ellison
November 6, 2024, 7:03pm
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Mikayla said :
@Sydney
But… what about the Maverick?
The Maverick gets by because its main model is a hybrid, which is essentially an SUV with a bed. Real small trucks face a different set of rules under emissions laws.
Mikayla
November 6, 2024, 7:03pm
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@Ellison
Got it. Why can’t a body-on-frame (BoF) vehicle do the same with fuel efficiency?
Ellison
November 6, 2024, 7:03pm
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Mikayla said :
@Ellison
Got it. Why can’t a body-on-frame (BoF) vehicle do the same with fuel efficiency?
Unibody designs are more aerodynamic underneath.
BoF vehicles have to bear all weight in the frame while keeping the cab strong enough for flips, which makes them heavier.
You can more easily place a battery in a unibody without frame issues.
BoF is flexible, which is why they’re more common in trucks—it’s easier to modify for different loads and uses.
Mikayla
November 6, 2024, 7:03pm
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@Ellison
Makes sense, thanks for the breakdown!
Chelsea
November 6, 2024, 7:03pm
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@Ellison
Appreciate the detailed info!
Dayton
November 6, 2024, 7:03pm
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Mikayla said :
@Ellison
Got it. Why can’t a body-on-frame (BoF) vehicle do the same with fuel efficiency?
SUVs are often body-on-frame too, so they get to skip some regulations.
Ellison
November 6, 2024, 7:03pm
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Dayton said :
Mikayla said :
@Ellison
Got it. Why can’t a body-on-frame (BoF) vehicle do the same with fuel efficiency?
SUVs are often body-on-frame too, so they get to skip some regulations.
Most modern SUVs are actually unibody; only the biggest ones like the Expedition or Tahoe stick with BoF.
Riley
November 6, 2024, 7:03pm
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Dayton said :
Mikayla said :
@Ellison
Got it. Why can’t a body-on-frame (BoF) vehicle do the same with fuel efficiency?
SUVs are often body-on-frame too, so they get to skip some regulations.
Yep, BoF SUVs used to be everywhere—Bronco, Durango, etc. Now maybe just the Expedition or Sequoia?
mikey47
November 6, 2024, 7:03pm
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@Riley
My old ‘92 Tracker was BoF.
Lenox
November 6, 2024, 7:03pm
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@Ellison
Funny enough, it actually has a higher payload than a Tacoma.
Ellison
November 6, 2024, 7:03pm
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Lenox said :
@Ellison
Funny enough, it actually has a higher payload than a Tacoma.
It depends on the trim, though. Some Tacomas are more off-road-focused, which affects payload capacity.
Parker
November 6, 2024, 7:03pm
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@Ellison
The F-150 is BoF, hybrid, and has a decent-sized engine.